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Where’s My Stuff? Maoshan Fraud for Undelivered Items – Continuous from 2023

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Norse900

I chose to re-publish a post I had made last year, because the same scammy-type behavior exists.

No Longer Advocating for the Current Maoshan Teaching Methods – July 2024

This is unfortunate. There is a consistent pattern that still exists within the Google Classroom Maoshan teachings by Jason Read. Material is translated, payments are made, and no substantial support is then given to make the material usable. 2+ years in an no one but those joining the lineage can properly consecrate their idols, after dire warnings about stand-ins and similar. The due diligence of the teacher (he’s not a Master and doesn’t pretend to be, to his credit) is non-existent unless you join the lineage club.

I like to assume noble intention, but this has bitten me in the ass repeatedly with the materials I purchased from him. I have contacted him since returning to Hawaii and was given a picture of the stuff (no packaged), verified my address, and received – NOTHING. My last contact with him on on 10NOV24. Please be very wary when sending money for items to this school and Jason Read specifically. This level of blatant fraud is unbecoming of one trying to be an advocate for a lineage.

Below are two screenshots of myself and a friend trying to get meaningful change prior to my public break with the school

The bottom image is one sent to me by another student who was also questioning why the push was to pay for new material when previous material and instruction was inadequate.

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10 responses to “Where’s My Stuff? Maoshan Fraud for Undelivered Items – Continuous from 2023”

  1. fernando Avatar
    fernando

    By reading your entry here you make it look like everything would be ok if only you had joined the lineage -if I am understanding correctly – so, You never thought in joining in?
    I was considering myself joining the school, or , at least for the foundational course, their website make it look like they teach a very complete system, with teachings not only on chinese witchcraft but the required internal alchemy too.

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    1. Norse900 Avatar
      Norse900

      I 100% think the basic system for the school is worthwhile. Complete? No. The Golden Light ritual is certainly a worthwhile pursuit. But, as I said, the basic course isn’t complete. Neither are the books, but the two together are valuable. Very valuable.

      I still do the Golden Light and have for quite a while. Now coupled with practices I’ve been given outside of the school. I had a lot of experience with Invocation and Evocation prior to any Maoshan practices. I consider the basic course valuable for the Yin Debt and Golden Light.

      Had I not been screwed over with the business side and concerned at the lack of materials that have clear instructions and guidance, I would’ve sought initiation into the Maoshan. If the material was fixed, I would make another post stating as such, just as I would if I finally received the items I paid for. But I wouldn’t be joining.

      Since only one of those applies to you, I would suggest you consider joining the Maoshan if the material and mentorship aspects are fixed. Since they aren’t fixed yet and he doesn’t have time to properly mentor his students, he certainly won’t after he becomes a Father and his free time is even further constrained.

      As I said, the basic course is worth the prices, even if incomplete.

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      1. fernando Avatar
        fernando

        Thanks,

        as Anonymous commented looks quite chaotic as of now..I think I’ll wait and see , the golden light is something I was going to be taught anyway as is part of the longmen pai curriculum I’m in.
        May I ask about your evocation/invocation practices? Do you follow Bardon’s hermetic system or it is something that you teach?

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        1. Norse900 Avatar
          Norse900

          It’s unfortunate, but the 1:few methods with interaction don’t translate well to Google Classroom when the instructor is too busy to interact, to put it nicely. Wealth of material there, but without some of the key details, it’s just window dressing compared to what it could be.

          There are several definitions to invocation and evocation, thanks to the differences between Western Ceremonial Magic and Demonolatry. I’ve used both form and still regularly do. I held a partial possession (internal position) of a Thunder entity earlier today, for example. I typically use partial possession for attunements towards energies or hybrid rituals, where I channel an entities power while I maintain a connection to the target (with the entity’s agreement).

          I don’t tend to force the spirit into a shape (triangle of manifestation) if they haven’t pissed me off. I tended to use them more as concentration points for a while and sometimes do when it feels appropriate or the entity is having a harder time coming through for one reason or another (always the possibility of ‘user error’).

          If you’re interested, there are places on the web where I have posted these things over the years. I have some public Shadownomicon entries one can find with Google, but Norse900 typically won’t appear, since I had my profiles anonymized when I left some of the more larpy-high school places. Pele’s Grimoire is avaialble for free in various forums and likely on the Way Back Machine. There are many different types of callings you may find interesting. It isn’t a long read and for someone like you, you would probably find it to be a sort of energetic training manual from a different perspective than the typical Uber Dark Vampire LORD typically produced by energetic workers today. My work with Pele continues, especially since I’m back in Hawaii.

          I am interested in learning more about your Longmen Pai curriculum. I vaguely remember seeing something like that (likely on Taobums ).

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          1. fernando Avatar
            fernando

            Thanks, I’ll look for your work in the forum you just mentioned.
            On long men curriculum: my teacher holds a website, but it’s not super informative(https://vidaylibertad.webnode.es/formacion-en-taoismo/) , he only teaches in person ,and we only see each other a couple of times a year, so I’m just starting the whole training and so there’s not a lot I can tell you but, anyway: initially you are expected to at least train in all the diferent aspects (shu) of the school although in a superficial manner, so you learn the classics, learn some qigong, neidan/inner alchemy, talisman(fu), ritual, divination and some form of physical training.
            I see most of these in maoshan’s curriculum too but they look-to my eyes- wildly enganged in the witchcraft practices.

    2. Anonymous Avatar
      Anonymous

      It is not a complete system with internal alchemy, etc. (though, it could be). It is a loosely connected body of scattered courses on google classroom, with bits and pieces here and there that are poorly organized and often self-contradictory. Some courses are mostly just screenshots of written notes, and some have not been updated in years. None of them are fully fleshed-out or well-explained. Key pieces of information are missing, the structure is chaotic and inconsistent, requests for money keep coming even though not a single course is actually at a finalized or even semi-polished stage. Questions go unanswered as new courses pop up (one of which is free, to be fair), though there do seem to be favorite students within the group who are treated a bit differently. The teacher is not egotistical or a “cult leader” type, but he does not seem to know what he wants the course(s) to be or how much of what he wants to teach at any given time. The order of material drastically diverges from what you see on the website for example, in terms of the syllabus. What you see on the “maoshantemple” website is not at all how things are structured in the google classroom. Additionally, you shouldn’t have to initiate into a lineage in order to not be ripped off for hundreds of euros by your teacher! Especially after they upsold you on the goods in the first place.

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      1. fernando Avatar
        fernando

        Thanks a lot for your reply, yes, I was thinking on the curriculum as is shown on their website and really liked some things that are mentioned there as that the needed, not-always-explained practices to make it all work are also taught there.
        Of course you are right and you should receive a proper treatment been initiated or not, although is to be expected that someone already initiated will get better/deeper explanations or transmissions.
        Anyway, all in all as Norse900 mentioned don’t you think you got anything positive out of it?

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        1. Anonymous Avatar
          Anonymous

          There are definitely positives. The courses are all very generously priced (look at the egregious prices Jerry Alan Johnson charges for a comparison). Jason is uniquely positioned to translate teachings of a tradition that I, and many others, would never have access to otherwise. Jason’s work is, in many ways, invaluable, and he is very considerate in how he prices access. The sheer scope of what he is able to translate and provide to students is amazing and very enriching. I am sure there are students that he has not ripped off, and that he does kind things for some people. He has at times said kind words to me, and even encouraged me. He never claims to be a master and will openly state if there is something he does not know.

          Unfortunately, that doesn’t erase the fact that he ripped at least one of his students off, that he has deleted comments about this without addressing them, and that the dissemination of Jasper Lake material is both poorly conceived and managed. I am glad that my Yin Debt has been paid off, that I have a much deeper understanding of Daoist magic, that I have formed connections with certain Daoist spirits and deities, and that I have received certain folk Maoshan practices and teachings. Some of them I can implement; I find many of these extraordinarily valuable, I am thankful for them, and they have become apart of my daily practice. Some of them I do not have enough information to implement, some of them are too contradictory to work with- and years later, my questions / emails go unanswered.

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      2. Norse900 Avatar
        Norse900

        I concur with this assessment.

        It is quite nice to see something this “rustic”, but not when it’s at the expense of structure.

        I do want to reiterate that Jason is charged with maintaining the standards and methods of a lineage that isn’t ready for large bodies of students, whether new or not. It isn’t organized enough. It may be a bit different privately (lineage), where more of the 1:few students can be maintained. That isn’t what one gets for the courses, with or without the books.

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  2. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    I also want to clarify (for other readers) that the ripping off here is not in regards to feeling slighted about the quality or pace of teachings. It is about a physical statue and Kai Guang ingredients that were paid for (with shipping), but were never shipped. I think that may have been unclear, based on Fernando’s responses.

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